Friends of Baguley. HALL

Friends of Baguley. HALL Our beautiful old hall is Manchester'oldest substantially unchanged building. The "spere and truss' constructed Great Hall dates from 1320. BAGULEY HALL
Built in 1320 by Sir William De Baggelegh - a Knight of the Realm, landowner and owner of the Cheshire Salt Workings.
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Our group has been formed to support the new owners of Baguley Hall and to lobby for the full repair, restoration and community use of this remarkable survival of a medieval hall manor.

Operating as usual

07/04/2021

The Wythenshawe Trail Heritage Walk 2021

At some point this Summer, 2021 we will be holding the inaugural Heritage Walk taking in all of our most historic buildings and sites.

For those that wish to do this in Fancy Dress or Historic Costume then go ahead,it's up to the individual walker!

Also, if you would like to be sponsored and raise money for whichever local or national cause then, again, by all means go ahead.

Here is the link to the itenary

Myself, David and Paige will be doing a reconnoitre of the route in the next month or so to check it's entirely feasible and Safe.

Consequently, expect more details soon

WYTHENSHAWE HERITAGE TRAIL

INAUGURAL WALK SUMMER 2021

Start

ST WILFRID'S CHURCH Northenden (18th c)
Church Lane
Palatine Road

Wythenshawe Road

Society of Friends Meeting House

WYTHENSHAWE PARK

WYTHENSHAWE HALL (1540)

Hall Lane

Heybrook Road

BLACK CARR PLANTATION (WOODS) (12th c)

BAGULEY HALL (1320)

Wendon Road Highdales Road

THE BRUNDRIT Ancient Woodland

THE SITE OF BAGULEY MILL (12th c)
Milky Button Park

WYTHENSHAWE HOSPITAL
Founded as Baguley Sanitarium
(1902)
Greenbrow Road

NEWALL (SHENTON'S)FARM (1594)

THE LANES

DAVENPORT GREEN HALL (1570)

HALE

End

ST.MARY THE VIRGIN
Bowdon
Burial place, and site of Effigy of
Sir William De Bagulegh the Younger

Kind regards,

Mathew Hopkins
Heritage Advisor FOBH
[email protected]

20/01/2021
Meet

Dear Friends,

This week we will hold our first community meeting of 2021 via Google Meet. Please find a meeting link below.

Thursday 21 January, 7pm - 7.45pm (plus 15 mins for AOB)
meet.google.com/fkt-xnio-nkj

We will be sharing a round-up of the recent AGM, progress on the development of a new website and web presence in general and our memories project. If there are any topics of discussion you would like to add please send a reply to this email before 5pm Wednesday for inclusion on the agenda which will be circulated on Thursday morning.

To minimise background noise and maintain a structure for the meeting please could we ask attendees to join the meeting on mute and primarily use the chat function to comment on any topics of discussion. For more in depth conversations the chair may invite attendees to speak.

We look forward to seeing you on Thursday.

Kind regards,

The Committee
On behalf of Friends of Baguley Hall
e. [email protected]
w. baguleyhall.org.uk

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31/12/2020

Dear Friends,

May all of us at FOBH wish you a Happy and Healthy New Year for 2021, things will probably get worse before they get better but let's hope that we can see some light at the end of the tunnel by Spring and we can then start to enjoy our brilliant heritage and history again and that we will realise how fortunate we are!

All the best,

Mat Hopkins
for Friends of Baguley Hall

29/12/2020

Hello Friends,

Hoping that you've all had a peaceful, happy Christmas and wishing you a very Happy and Healthy New Year, All my best wishes to you!

Love,

Mathew
Friend of Baguely Hall

Route of Heritage Trail (green arrows)
22/11/2020

Route of Heritage Trail (green arrows)

Route of Heritage Trail (green arrows)

Since putting up the last post this morning it has been read by 2,250 people so I'd like to thank all of you for your co...
21/11/2020

Since putting up the last post this morning it has been read by 2,250 people so I'd like to thank all of you for your continued enthusiasm and I'm going to make sure The Podcast gets off the ground before Christmas!

And Covid permitting I'd like to see you all on that Heritage Trail Walk next Spring, hopefully by then, we will all have had our C19 Jabs and life may be getting back to normal....

As an update, the post has now been read by 6,900!!

Love

Mat Hopkins
FOBH Chair, 2009-19

Since putting up the last post this morning it has been read by 2,250 people so I'd like to thank all of you for your continued enthusiasm and I'm going to make sure The Podcast gets off the ground before Christmas!

And Covid permitting I'd like to see you all on that Heritage Trail Walk next Spring, hopefully by then, we will all have had our C19 Jabs and life may be getting back to normal....

As an update, the post has now been read by 6,900!!

Love

Mat Hopkins
FOBH Chair, 2009-19

AnnouncementTHE BAGULEY HALL PODCASTAs you're probably aware I've been writing a book on Baguley Hall. Baguley and other...
21/11/2020

Announcement

THE BAGULEY HALL PODCAST

As you're probably aware I've been writing a book on Baguley Hall. Baguley and other local areas over the last year.

Well, I got no help off anyone as regards to publishing it and rather than let good material (IMHO) go to waste I ve had the idea of using the material as a monthly podcast, the first edition of which will be available before Christmas.

Please let me know what you think of the idea, Is a podcast the right way to go?

It will mostly be about the Hall and area but I'm thinking it could also include other items of local heritage interest such as the clean ups in Black Carr Wood, The Brundrit etc

Let me know what you think of the idea...

I've also devised a

WYTHENSHAWE HERITAGE TRAIL

A sponsored Walk

To initiate a Wythenshawe Heritage Trail taking in most of our historic buildings, footpaths, parks etc

Start of Trail

ST. WILFRID'S ANGLICAN CHURCH 16th Century Parish Church

Ford Lane Church Lane Palatine Road

Wythenshawe Road entering

WYTHENSHAWE PARK AND HALL 16th Century Manor House and 250 acre municipal park

Hall Lane

BAGULEY HALL 14th Century Hall House in well kept grounds with beautiful orchard

Porlock Road using ancient right of way footpath at least 500 years old

BLACKCARR PLANTATION 12th Century

Heybrook Road Highdales Road

THE BRUNDRIT Ancient remnant of woodland with Sycamore, Oak, Ash, Hawthorn, Hazels blanketed with Bluebells

Alderman Rogers Park Firbank Road Greenbrow Road Hollyhedge Road Southmoor Road

WYTHENSHAWE AND BAGULEY HOSPITAL Established 1902

Floats Road Dobbinetts Lane Whitecarr Lane Shay Lane

DAVENPORT GREEN HALL 16th Century

Hale Road

ST. MARY THE VIRGIN Church, Bowdon, 16th Century
The parish church of Baguley 1520 - 1929
Resting place of the effigy of Sir William DeBaguley the Younger (d c 1340)

The sponsorship should I suggest, fund a local charity other than the Friends Group

This would being in goodwill to the group by showing FOBH as outward looking and concerned for Baguley and its citizens. With healthy financial reserves as stated in its accounts, sponsorship is not currently required and this will show the group to be concerned with the bigger picture, concerned not only with the Hall but with the general welfare of Baguley.

Mathew Hopkins
Chair of FOBH, 2009-19

Announcement

THE BAGULEY HALL PODCAST

As you're probably aware I've been writing a book on Baguley Hall. Baguley and other local areas over the last year.

Well, I got no help off anyone as regards to publishing it and rather than let good material (IMHO) go to waste I ve had the idea of using the material as a monthly podcast, the first edition of which will be available before Christmas.

Please let me know what you think of the idea, Is a podcast the right way to go?

It will mostly be about the Hall and area but I'm thinking it could also include other items of local heritage interest such as the clean ups in Black Carr Wood, The Brundrit etc

Let me know what you think of the idea...

I've also devised a

WYTHENSHAWE HERITAGE TRAIL

A sponsored Walk

To initiate a Wythenshawe Heritage Trail taking in most of our historic buildings, footpaths, parks etc

Start of Trail

ST. WILFRID'S ANGLICAN CHURCH 16th Century Parish Church

Ford Lane Church Lane Palatine Road

Wythenshawe Road entering

WYTHENSHAWE PARK AND HALL 16th Century Manor House and 250 acre municipal park

Hall Lane

BAGULEY HALL 14th Century Hall House in well kept grounds with beautiful orchard

Porlock Road using ancient right of way footpath at least 500 years old

BLACKCARR PLANTATION 12th Century

Heybrook Road Highdales Road

THE BRUNDRIT Ancient remnant of woodland with Sycamore, Oak, Ash, Hawthorn, Hazels blanketed with Bluebells

Alderman Rogers Park Firbank Road Greenbrow Road Hollyhedge Road Southmoor Road

WYTHENSHAWE AND BAGULEY HOSPITAL Established 1902

Floats Road Dobbinetts Lane Whitecarr Lane Shay Lane

DAVENPORT GREEN HALL 16th Century

Hale Road

ST. MARY THE VIRGIN Church, Bowdon, 16th Century
The parish church of Baguley 1520 - 1929
Resting place of the effigy of Sir William DeBaguley the Younger (d c 1340)

The sponsorship should I suggest, fund a local charity other than the Friends Group

This would being in goodwill to the group by showing FOBH as outward looking and concerned for Baguley and its citizens. With healthy financial reserves as stated in its accounts, sponsorship is not currently required and this will show the group to be concerned with the bigger picture, concerned not only with the Hall but with the general welfare of Baguley.

Mathew Hopkins
Chair of FOBH, 2009-19

http://www.ianmortimer.com/EdwardII/death.htmWhen Baguley Hall was substantially built in 1320 the King of England was E...
14/10/2020
Dr Ian Mortimer: A note on the death of Edward II

http://www.ianmortimer.com/EdwardII/death.htm

When Baguley Hall was substantially built in 1320 the King of England was Edward the Second. Now you may have heard that Edward was a rotten king, possibly Gay and his life ended ignobly with a heated spike thrust up his backside in Berkeley Castle after being forced to abdicate in favour of his son, Edward III, by his wife, Isabella (the 'she wolf' of France) and her lover Roger Mortimer.

The academic historian Ian Mortimer (no relation) has uncovered evidence that Edward was not murdered in 1327 and that he survived some 14 years after under the pseudonym William Le Galleys or 'William the Welshman' under the protection of European noble families, on the continent, and that he met his son and successor some years after his alleged death and that his son sent remittances (cash in the form of gold) at regular intervals until Edward's actual death in 1342.

It can only be true or untrue and Mortimer lays out the possibilities and proofs in this essay.....

......Well worth a read, and you may never look at History the same way ever again!

Mat Hopkins
(Battle of Hastings fought on this day 954 years ago)

There is no doubt that Edward II was a controversial monarch. In character and deed he was a disappointment to many of his contemporaries, not just his father. He ‘loved’ Piers Gaveston more dearly than most kings were expected to 'love' their subjects, and even adopted him as his brother. He was ...

THE TRAVELS OF SIR WILLIAM DE BAGULEGH THE ELDER'S EFFIGYThis is the monumental effigy of Sir William showing the Bagule...
12/08/2020

THE TRAVELS OF SIR WILLIAM DE BAGULEGH THE ELDER'S EFFIGY

This is the monumental effigy of Sir William showing the Baguley crest twice, once on the shield and one on his surplice.

This lump of stone has done some travelling in its 700 years existence.

Originally it was situated in St. Mary's Church, Bowdon. In the reformation of the 1540s effigies were being smashed or defaced by Puritans and so the descendents of Sir William, The Leghs had it removed and placed up against the soul plate of the Great Hall at Baguley (photograph) where it remained until at some point in the late 19th/early 20th century it was removed (errr Stolen) to the back garden of a house in Millbank, Partington used as some kind of garden ornament.

By this time it had become much defaced, losing its lower limbs and having spectacles gouged around its eyes.

It was rediscovered in the early 1920s and was removed back to St. Mary's Bowdon where it remains to this day

A series of Technical Drawings of Baguley Great Hall showing its size in comparison with other vernacular residences of ...
11/08/2020

A series of Technical Drawings of Baguley Great Hall showing its size in comparison with other vernacular residences of a slightly later date, most appear to be modelled on Baguley Hall.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A1jOQnIs-7q49VL4nvrzT0luCDJDEmGnoedEBIUYTV8/edit?usp=drivesdkHere's a few ideas on h...
23/07/2020
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A1jOQnIs-7q49VL4nvrzT0luCDJDEmGnoedEBIUYTV8/edit?usp=drivesdk

Here's a few ideas on how our group Friends of Baguley Hall can adjust to the new realities of Covid now by adopting a strong online presence and by giving a unique Cultural Offer to its audience that has stayed with and been so loyal over the years...

Mat Hopkins

Create a new document and edit with others at the same time -- from your computer, phone or tablet. Get stuff done with or without an internet connection. Use Docs to edit Word files. Free from Google.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t5iXztAQPe8xnCruJ-1emvA5WO00_zgYXLLnfFUOmPg/edit?usp=drivesdkAs a little taster from...
22/07/2020
Untitled document

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t5iXztAQPe8xnCruJ-1emvA5WO00_zgYXLLnfFUOmPg/edit?usp=drivesdk

As a little taster from the forthcoming book on the history of Baguley Hall and Wythenshawe.

This is the Foreword.....

Mat Hopkins
Ex-Chair and Historical Advisor to FOBH

FOREWORD Baguley Hall has been an enigmatic presence in my life ever since our family moved from Brooklands, Manchester only a mile or so to the Baguley Hall area of Wythenshawe in 1972, I would have been 5 years old at the time and the Zinc overcoat had just been erected to protect the extremel...

19/06/2020

Hello Friends!

I hope you are all OK and that you've come through this life changing pandemic relatively unscathed, that you haven't smashed up your house and been kicking the Cat and Dog!

The committee have been meeting virtually online and I have been trying to finish The Book of The Hall (working title)

However, about 20% is still to do as this was going to be based on the John Rylands Library, Manchester's collection of Tatton, Baguley and Wythenshawe ancient manuscripts

Unfortunately, since March the JLR has been closed due to Covid. We are hoping that sometime soon word will come that it is to reopen so until then my quill will, alas, remain dry.

Baguley Hall and its many friends in the UK and across the globe have not been forgotten and some measure of normal service will hopefully resume soon...

Keep safe and see you soon!

Mat Hopkins
Ex-Chair, Historical Consultant and all round BH Anorak

12/04/2020

Dear Friends,

I have just neen contacted by a lady called Joan Starr, her involvement with BH goes back to the mid 1970s

She was a close friend of Ernie Latham, who was the Hall's custodian in those days, Ernie was a bit of an expert model maker with Matches, He has done Manchester Cathedral and St.Peter's Basilica in Rome.

He has made a 1 in 3 scale model) of a Norfolk Cart out of one of the roof beams that was beyond saving (700yrs old so it is in effect 700 years old (though not in its current form,

norfolk carts were the srandard method of transport for humans and crops!

also she would like to donate a comprehensive dossier on the Hall and its inhabitants, as you may be aware I am nearing completion on a book of the Hall so some new light may be shed on this ancient story

i have arranged to pick up the files at 2.30pm on Tuesday this week but we need someone to collect the Norfolk Cart made by Ernie Latham, its approx 2ft in length and a foot wide and i dont want to damage it!

Colin, would you like to attend, thought the model might be up your street!

obviously, social safeguarding will be adhered tp, If we could do it another time we would but Joan is moving down south so we would be in danger of losing these treasures.

link to an old article on the old fobh site, dont know how you'd react to someone dressed like that coming in the house,...
31/03/2020
13th to 14th Centuries in Northern Bucklow (inc The Black Death)

link to an old article on the old fobh site, dont know how you'd react to someone dressed like that coming in the house, if I wasnt ill at the time i think i soon would be!

Mat

https://baguleyhallfriends.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/13th-to-14th-centuries-in-northern-bucklow-inc-the-black-death/

Edw 2nd-3rd ). Sir Hamon de Massey, Lord of Backford & Tymperley. d.1349 – Descended from Robert de Massey of Sale, brother to Baron Hamon de Massey 3rd. The line of Robert de Massey of S…

29/03/2020

Dear friends,

just checking in to see how you all are coping with enforced isolation.

I hope you all are okay....

There will be good days again in the future

Stay Well,

Mat Hopkins
Founder, ex-Chair of FoBH

17/03/2020

further to the announcement of three of us going to the John Rylands Library they have cancelled ALL bookings for reasearch until further notice, They have closed the building down until further notice too.

i was really looking forward to it as well!

Mat Hopkins

True, it can wait another few months but I was hoping that the Geneaologies would produce some more material for the The Book of the Hall, Did you know that there is such a thing as 'Parchment Fever' symptoms: cough, chest infection and raised temperature that is suffered by some people whose researches put them in close contact with ancient vellum. It lasts about 24 hours and a lot of people mistake it for the start of Flu! Think about the vellum, it's 700 years old cow's skin treated to make something so beatiful to write Illuminated Manuscripts on, it has to be soaked for a week in a mixture of Human Urine and Dog***t! Charming! Mat Hopkins

16/03/2020

On Friday Libby, Paige and Myself are going to be elbows deep in ancient documents held at the John Rylands Library on Deansgate which relate to the DeBaguleghs, Baguley Hall, The Leghs and the Tattons and will hopefully get them translated after we've photographed them, Anything after 1400ad I should be ok with but if there is anyone out there who wants to put their GCSE Latin and French into use at last we will be uploading the images onto this page.

So, if you would like to help us all out please let us know once you have seen them on here.

Kind regards,

Mat Hopkins
Chair Emeritus, FoBH (2009-19)
(posh for 'ex chair' but still involved in an advisory capacity)

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Good morning all, cross posting from our post on the memories page. https://www.facebook.com/101969141444087/posts/168130991494568/?d=n
I thought I would give an update on my Armour for Sir William De Baguley (circa 1320) A note on heraldry; I contacted some time ago the college of arms and they put me through to the Herald of Chester. He describes the arms thusly: ‘ I would blazon the coat of arms as Or three Lozenges Azure’ - so gold with three blue diamonds. First picture shows a padded gambeson, a coat of riveted Maille and a coat of plates over this. The coat of plates is made of heavy fabric with metal plates riveted to it. It would be common for a knight of Sir William’s status to have owned one whereas lower soldiers would not have afforded one. Second images shows the reverse. Third shows a surcote in linen with reinforcement inside. This is based on the coat shown on sir William’s effigy in Bowdon. Last two images show a padded coif and a great helm with a Torse (coloured ring around the helmet) and also a mail coif. If anyone is doing medieval or local history at school please feel free to use these images. If you would like any more information please get in touch. The comitttee is still meeting via Zoom and working behind the scenes. More updates on that to follow. Best regards, David Vyse Bell-Hartley
English heritage are increasing their presence at the hall with a new recruit
Good morning! Another frosty morning. The friends of Baguley Hall will be down the road at Wythenshawe Hall today, in the courtyard 1200 to 1600.
Well folks, if my model and recently posted article are anything to go by, and if we needed proof, Baguley Hall is in fact a very much loved and wanted building. I had no idea my efforts would spark such interest. I would like to thank everyone who has shown interest and passed comments over the last 24 hours or so. Please continue to spread the word about this wonderful building 🙂🙂🙂
Hi folks, I have posted an article I wrote explaining how and why I came to make the model of the "Medieval Hall", I do hope you find it interesting.
Hi. I wanted to draw your attention to this grant scheme http://www.archaeologyuk.org/cbanw/CBANW_grants.html which provides up to £500 for archaeology related work in the North West. This can vary and there are guidance notes. Recent grants have been for radiocarbon dates, conference funding, and equipment purchases. It might not be of relevance now but I hope you will bear us in mind. We are keen to support all archaeology in the North West and that includes historic buildings. Thanks.
I had no idea this group existed, good to see. I will certainly like to get involved. I grew up in Northenden , so I have known this building all my life, but have never known it to be open ! I am also a professional artist, and I will be glad to offer my services to help. Oh, and yes the drawing is one of mine
This seemed like a fair place to ask: does anyone know of an detailed map of the Baguley Hall area that's older than this tithe map? And did Altrincham Road exist in some form before the turnpike system?
Are you still a group.what is happening to the hall