Baguley Hall is Manchester's oldest building and was built in 1320 with Tudor and Georgian additions.
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BAGULEY HALL
Built in 1320 by Sir William De Baggelegh - a Knight of the Realm, landowner and owner of the Cheshire Salt Workings. Our group has been formed to support the new owners of Baguley Hall and to lobby for the full repair, restoration and community use of this remarkable survival of a medieval hall manor.
The Building of a Town, shops and houses near Baguley Hall being built, late 1940s, Hall Lane Shopping Parade, built 1940s, demolished early 2000s, photos of Hall, 1913, 1895, 1920 pond at back of Hall. Courtesy Manchester City Libraries local image collection.
It's been pointed out that the photos are quite small, If you want larger ones go to Flickr search for "Baguley Hall 1965" click on image and go to the download (downward arrow) option, you then have options up to 4k as download sizes.
Baguley Hall and Environs, Before restoration, 1965, taken from Flickr (sepia image taken 1945, The original cobbled Hall Lane which stopped at Baguley Hall)
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This came up, unbidden, as a Facebook Memory earlier today;-
It was 7 years ago today that English Heritage withdrew the £1.5million that they'd offered to restore Baguley Hall
We're not really any nearer to the Hall being made safe and renewed for the use of the local community, I'm sad to say.
Friends,
Just to make it clear for those who don't realise, There was a deal on the table that Baguley Hall be taken over by Heritage Trust NW and £1,5m would be made available by HE for repairs,
That has now been withdrawn as Historic England doesn't have the money,, They've had their budget cut.
This is bitterly dissappointing, everyone agrees that but we Friends will carry on with publicising the Hall's plight and as far as I'm concerned nothing changes, we-re still having the meeting on the 17th, MEN are to run a story on the Hall and I'll be speaking to Michael Wood later.
We need to protest to let Mancunians know of the poor treatment of one of the City's greatest assets, and its oldest building, Those who hold the purse strings won't do anything unless we can show we are competent, enthusiastic and that there is a sustainable groundswell of support for Baguley Hall!
ITS TIME TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED
Mat Hopkins, Chair, FOBH
Here's a Lidar of Wythenshawe Hall and Park from the England Open source lidar, shows loads of hidden paths, roads, buildings buried under the surface
Lidar map of Baguley Hall and surrounding area, Sorry its only a Screenshot but you can see some interesting features you wouldn't see with a normal aerial view.
Lidar strips away tree cover and only data pinpoints the land surface.
Just to confirm Baguley Hall IS the oldest building in the CITY of Manchester, and has been since Wythenshawe was added to the City in 1931.
Chethams is from 1400, Old Shambles from Tudor times. Baguley Hall is a hundred years older than the next oldest building!
In Greater Manchester, there's a Church in Eccles which is older than BH but if you look at it this way, The current BH is 700 years old, small parts even older and there was an Anglo-Saxon aisled hall from the 10th/11th century and possibly an even older structure which may be late Roman/Early Anglo-Saxon!!
There's been habitation on the immediate area since the early Iron Age or late Bronze Age.
IT'S OLD IS WHAT I'M SAYING !!
Some movement at last!
Although the £250,000 being spent is to repair and stop water ingress that has happened over the last 10 years.
This is deeply worrying, this is rescue work after recent penny-pinching by Historic England as evidenced by the lack of garden maintenance to the privet situated to the South which is a non historic feature.
Hopeful and worrying at the same time.....
"We are very privileged to be working with the people who may be able to make our dream of bringing Baguley Hall back to life into a reality."
THE BOOK OF BAGULEY HALL
Written by Mathew Hopkins C 2019,2022
Make sure that the Print Layout button is switched on before you read it or Print it off.
Any opinions made in this work are personal and are in no way connected with the The Friends of Baguley Hall Group.
Happy Reading!
Mathew Hopkins
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIZp6Il74M6qdNZMlmKwD6GSdKQjc_DR1HgFenWXQBA/edit?usp=drivesdk
THE BOOK OF BAGULEY HALL Mathew Hopkins Author’s Note on the name ‘De Bagulegh’ As you read this book you will see that there are numerous variations on the Surname ‘De Bagulegh’ Where possible I have left the name that was committed to paper or parchment. If it’s been written by the au....
Since putting up the last post this morning it has been read by 2,250 people so I'd like to thank all of you for your continued enthusiasm and I'm going to make sure The Podcast gets off the ground before Christmas!
And Covid permitting I'd like to see you all on that Heritage Trail Walk next Spring, hopefully by then, we will all have had our C19 Jabs and life may be getting back to normal....
As an update, the post has now been read by 6,900!!
Love
Mat Hopkins
FOBH Chair, 2009-19
THE TRAVELS OF SIR WILLIAM DE BAGULEGH THE ELDER'S EFFIGY
This is the monumental effigy of Sir William showing the Baguley crest twice, once on the shield and one on his surplice.
This lump of stone has done some travelling in its 700 years existence.
Originally it was situated in St. Mary's Church, Bowdon. In the reformation of the 1540s effigies were being smashed or defaced by Puritans and so the descendents of Sir William, The Leghs had it removed and placed up against the soul plate of the Great Hall at Baguley (photograph) where it remained until at some point in the late 19th/early 20th century it was removed (errr Stolen) to the back garden of a house in Millbank, Partington used as some kind of garden ornament.
By this time it had become much defaced, losing its lower limbs and having spectacles gouged around its eyes.
It was rediscovered in the early 1920s and was removed back to St. Mary's Bowdon where it remains to this day
A series of Technical Drawings of Baguley Great Hall showing its size in comparison with other vernacular residences of a slightly later date, most appear to be modelled on Baguley Hall.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A1jOQnIs-7q49VL4nvrzT0luCDJDEmGnoedEBIUYTV8/edit?usp=drivesdk
Here's a few ideas on how our group Friends of Baguley Hall can adjust to the new realities of Covid now by adopting a strong online presence and by giving a unique Cultural Offer to its audience that has stayed with and been so loyal over the years...
Mat Hopkins
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As a little taster from the forthcoming book on the history of Baguley Hall and Wythenshawe.
This is the Foreword.....
Mat Hopkins
Ex-Chair and Historical Advisor to FOBH
FOREWORD Baguley Hall has been an enigmatic presence in my life ever since our family moved from Brooklands, Manchester only a mile or so to the Baguley Hall area of Wythenshawe in 1972, I would have been 5 years old at the time and the Zinc overcoat had just been erected to protect the extremel...
Hello Friends!
I hope you are all OK and that you've come through this life changing pandemic relatively unscathed, that you haven't smashed up your house and been kicking the Cat and Dog!
The committee have been meeting virtually online and I have been trying to finish The Book of The Hall (working title)
However, about 20% is still to do as this was going to be based on the John Rylands Library, Manchester's collection of Tatton, Baguley and Wythenshawe ancient manuscripts
Unfortunately, since March the JLR has been closed due to Covid. We are hoping that sometime soon word will come that it is to reopen so until then my quill will, alas, remain dry.
Baguley Hall and its many friends in the UK and across the globe have not been forgotten and some measure of normal service will hopefully resume soon...
Keep safe and see you soon!
Mat Hopkins
Ex-Chair, Historical Consultant and all round BH Anorak
Dear Friends,
I have just neen contacted by a lady called Joan Starr, her involvement with BH goes back to the mid 1970s
She was a close friend of Ernie Latham, who was the Hall's custodian in those days, Ernie was a bit of an expert model maker with Matches, He has done Manchester Cathedral and St.Peter's Basilica in Rome.
He has made a 1 in 3 scale model) of a Norfolk Cart out of one of the roof beams that was beyond saving (700yrs old so it is in effect 700 years old (though not in its current form,
norfolk carts were the srandard method of transport for humans and crops!
also she would like to donate a comprehensive dossier on the Hall and its inhabitants, as you may be aware I am nearing completion on a book of the Hall so some new light may be shed on this ancient story
i have arranged to pick up the files at 2.30pm on Tuesday this week but we need someone to collect the Norfolk Cart made by Ernie Latham, its approx 2ft in length and a foot wide and i dont want to damage it!
Colin, would you like to attend, thought the model might be up your street!
obviously, social safeguarding will be adhered tp, If we could do it another time we would but Joan is moving down south so we would be in danger of losing these treasures.
link to an old article on the old fobh site, dont know how you'd react to someone dressed like that coming in the house, if I wasnt ill at the time i think i soon would be!
Mat
https://baguleyhallfriends.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/13th-to-14th-centuries-in-northern-bucklow-inc-the-black-death/
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Dear friends,
just checking in to see how you all are coping with enforced isolation.
I hope you all are okay....
There will be good days again in the future
Stay Well,
Mat Hopkins
Founder, ex-Chair of FoBH
further to the announcement of three of us going to the John Rylands Library they have cancelled ALL bookings for reasearch until further notice, They have closed the building down until further notice too.
i was really looking forward to it as well!
Mat Hopkins
True, it can wait another few months but I was hoping that the Geneaologies would produce some more material for the The Book of the Hall, Did you know that there is such a thing as 'Parchment Fever' symptoms: cough, chest infection and raised temperature that is suffered by some people whose researches put them in close contact with ancient vellum. It lasts about 24 hours and a lot of people mistake it for the start of Flu! Think about the vellum, it's 700 years old cow's skin treated to make something so beatiful to write Illuminated Manuscripts on, it has to be soaked for a week in a mixture of Human Urine and Dog***t! Charming! Mat Hopkins
On Friday Libby, Paige and Myself are going to be elbows deep in ancient documents held at the John Rylands Library on Deansgate which relate to the DeBaguleghs, Baguley Hall, The Leghs and the Tattons and will hopefully get them translated after we've photographed them, Anything after 1400ad I should be ok with but if there is anyone out there who wants to put their GCSE Latin and French into use at last we will be uploading the images onto this page.
So, if you would like to help us all out please let us know once you have seen them on here.
Kind regards,
Mat Hopkins
Chair Emeritus, FoBH (2009-19)
(posh for 'ex chair' but still involved in an advisory capacity)
Here are a few relevant Maps, Courtesy of Texas Univ Map Room
https://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/shepherd_1911/shepherd-c-065.jpg
Dominions of William the Conquerer 1087
Map of England in the 10th century, as you can see there are two counties named as PALATINATES but Durham is a Bishopric so Chester is unique
Dear Friends,
This is by way of an appeal, As you maybe aware I am writing a book about The Hall, It's inhabitants and the Baguley and Wythenshawe area etc
I have pretty much exhausted my useful knowledge on these subjects and I am hoping that the last third of the book might be made up of people's memories about Baguley Hall.
As well as locals I am hoping that our Friends beyond the seas might like to contribute too, So all you Bigelows in the USA and Canada, in fact anywhere in the World might like to contribute too.
In the late 1960s local schoolchildren were roped in to clean the Hall and grounds out after it was saved in the House of Commons by our then MP, the Rt.Hon Alf Morris MP, particularly with the stories of trees growing on the first floor!
I'm sure tht if you all rack your brains you'll be able to come up with some entertaing material and I will try and include your stories as you recount them with minimal editing.
We are particularly keen to publish the book this year which is the 700th anniversary of the building of the current hall
All are welcome to contribute, Please email your stories to
[email protected]
Don't forget to include your name, city, and country.
So, please start racking your brains for interesting anecdotes! many thanks.....
kind regards,
Mat Hopkins
Founder of FOBH and Chair, 2009-19
By way of a teaser, here is the full chapter 2 from the Baguley Hall book, This actually happened according the Coram Rege Rolls of 1326, I have dramatised it and added a character for narrative purposes.
btw I am about half way through writing the book..
Chapter 2
JUSTICE, OF A KIND, 14TH CENTURY STYLE
All the names, places and situations, except for the character of the boy, Henry, are real and are taken from the Coram Rege Law Rolls heard at Wigan in March 1326. All this actually happened but I have ‘fictionalised’ them written up as reportage.
On a damp April morning in the year of Grace 1325 in the Township of Baguley that then was little more than a half hamlet of shacks and hovels dotted within shouting distance of Baguley Hall. It was here that an eight-year-old boy named Henry Boucher began the mile’s walk from Baguley Hall to the Ryall Thorn Tavern where his father, John Boucher, was the landlord, Sir William De Baguley was the owner. The lad skipped along the desire path that ran it’s way through the plantation known locally as Black Carr Woods.
Half way through the woods the boy stood stock still as the iridescent, flying rainbow of a Kingfisher collecting food for his soon- to- fledge offspring swept by the brook, adjacent to the path. Henry woke quickly from his reverie in natural beauty by the loud report of hammer on anvil at the Farriers of Thomas Le Criour some fifty yards further on from the tavern.
After the boy had summoned Thomas and his Father he read the following note which Sir William had written, as his father and Thomas could not read or write:
To our trusty servants John Boucher and Thomas le Criour we have received credible knowledge that a notorious thief and ra**st named Adam son of Adam the Reeve from Claughton le Spring on The Wirral is being given alms and sanctuary in a house on my land, we need a party of men to go forth, with me, and arrest him
Pointing at a tall, thin man Sir William said:
“ Master Jordan here, who is steward at my hunting lodge at Hyde, reports that his own father was robbed by this Adam four days ago”
The owner and builder of Baguley Hall, Sir William De Bagulegh was, like his quarry, a man of determination and fierce temper.
The group, De Bagulegh, Boucher, LeCriour, Le Clayden, and neighbours Thomas and Richard Cheadle, Hamo and Richard De Ashley, Adam Tophosewyf and John Le Harpour rode the four miles along the old Mercia Northumbria border, The River Mersey and arrived at Newton by 5pm.
“Adam Spadeberd, I am your Lord William of Baguley and I require the matter of who is in your house and who you are providing vittals and sanctuary for? It is alleged that Adam son of Adam the Reeve is in there..
Spadeberd appeared at the door and the smell of the interior, shared by animals and human assaulted Sir William’s nostrils
“I am the only male living in this house for the last 11 years”
“Master Thomas and Clayden, go forth and search the house..” said Sir William but before he finished his sentence there was a cry from Jordan Le Clayden and he fell to the floor clutching the arrow that was embedded deep in his temple, His death was immediate and so was revenge.
“Master Thomas, close this hovel up and burn it to the ground” and Master Topehosewyf take this fellow’s head,
Tophosewyf, a slaughterman by trade grabbed Spadeberd and with one surgical strike with his Cleaver cut Spadeberd’s head clean off.
Sir William continued,”When you have done take these two heads and stick them on pikes as a warning to all who lie to me”
De Bagulegh had thought the matter closed and forgotten when he received a summons to The King’s Bench hearing at Wigan some 6 months later to account for his and his group’s actions.
From the Coram Rege roll, 254, King’s Bench hearing held at Wigan, Spring,1326
“They also say that William De Baggele (sic) Knight, Hamo De Ashley, Richard, his brother, John Le Harpour, of Ashley, Thomas De Cheadle, John his brother, Thomas, son of Roger Le Criour and Jordan De Clayden and others pursued Adam, son of Adam the Reeve of Clacton (Claughton le Spring, The Wirral)a notorious thief indicted for Sundry felonies in that County to Newton near Mamcestre and he fled there into the house of one Adam Spadeberd for fear of being captured and upon this the aforementioned Sir William de Baggele (sic) and his company came thither and enquired of the aforementioned Adam Spadeberd whether Adam son of Adam the Reeve was in his house. He replied that he was not whereupon the aforesaid Adam Reeveson who was in the house shot the afore mentioned Jordan De Clayden with an arrow so that he died immediately and seeing this the aforementioned Sir William De Baggele ordered a certain Adam Tophosewyf to cut off the head of the aformentioned Adam Spadeberd for his deception and feloniously carried out the order. The group were not able to capture Adam son of Adam the Reeve they, by order of De Baggele(sic) set fire to afore mentioned house. As soon as Sir William De Baggele 9sic) and his group had carried out the acts aforesaid they fled. Afterwards, Upon the Quinzaine of St.John the Baptist at the end of the 18th regnal year (8 July 1326) came the aforesaid Sir William…At this point the Rege Roll cuts off. Meh
https://www.facebook.com/baguleyhall/photos/a.788431807867370/788432761200608/?type=3
At the Committee Meeting on Tuesday it was mentioned that the bottom half of Sir William's effigy had gone missing...Jennifer took this photo on the 2014 visit, I remarked that this may be a 'Moot Stone' from Anglo Saxon times where people used to gather and have disputes being judged on. It could equally be the bottom half of Sir William's effigy, or it could still be a mootstone, This would need to be investigated by people more qualified than I am, Whatever it is, it should not be on the inside of a 14th century Manor House....Over to you on this one! Mat
X Hiya Libby, Hope all is well with you and your family? Do you have a date yet for the next tranche of public meetings or committee meetings? I have a meeting with Jenna, (time date and location already given) To discuss the Public engagement and the Book which hopefully we can tie in together. I was hoping that we can do a series of audio or video interviews with Baguley locals past and present on their memories of Baguley Hall, I hope you can attend as I dont want to be 'going off on one' If you cant come, are there are items that you want discussing? It may be that the meetings of FOBH come before our meeting with Jenna so i will then have an Agenda, Whatever is best for you or the team is okay by me, Just dont want us all singing the right notes but necsessarily in the right order (to quote Morecambe and Wise!) Cheers, MatX
Happy New Year to all our friends and followers.
This year we aim to engage with the local community and make a record of their memories relating to Baguley Hall.
Keep an eye on here, Twitter and Your Local Voice newspaper for updates, there will also be more interviews on Wythenshawe fm. We are determined to bring Baguley Hall back to life within the community.
Very best wishes to you all for 2020.
Libby and the Friends of Baguley Hall Committee xx
Just about to get cracking on Chapters 3 and 4 of the Baguley Hall book, this one is a detailed survey of England, or Aengleland pre-Conquest, and the many different 'tribes' and how much land they held. Mercia (at this stage) is by far the largest in Actual area, but soon to be eclipsed by Wessex and how the County of Chester fits in all this... Often you will see the phrase 'The Mercian Hegemony or The Wessex Hegemony etc, The word 'Hegemony' refers to a period in time when a Tribe has over-lordship over neighbouring tribes and the Chief King or 'Bretwalda' comes from this particular dominant tribe
The Northumbrian Hegemony: c late 7th - c 8th Centuries
The Mercian Hegemony: c 8th - c early 10th Centuries
The Wessex Hegemony: c early 10th - January 8th 1066 (with the death of King Edward the Confessor) reached its apogee with King Athelstan in the 920s and the organic formation of the nation state of Aengleland when King Edgar the magnificent was crowned King OF England and not King of THE English
The House of Godwinsson January 8th - October 14th 1066 (fell with the death of King Harold II at the Battle of Hastings and the House of Normandy.
Just putting out a few feelers, How many of you would like to see, and more importantly, buy a book on Baguley Hall, The Ancient Township and Its people through history?
There follows a
SYNOPSIS OF THE BOOK OF THE HALL
Prepared by Mathew Hopkins, 3rd October 2016
SCOPE
To produce an entertaining and informative history of Baguley Hall, The Ancient Township of Baguley and a history of the the DeBagulegh family and its later descendant’s marriage into The Legh and Tatton families. A lot of information is already on the page, in fact virtually anything that is available in the public realm is on there so culling and re-jigging my own work shouldnt be too much of a problem.
However, I know that Libby for one, will want to carry out her own researches into the DeBagulegh/Legh/Tatton, genealogy being her forte.
Colin Pigott is an expert on the vernacular buildings of the North West and likewise, he’ll want to do his work his way
It would be great if we can get Mike Kane MP to write a short introduction.
I am contacting Professor Michael Wood to see if he would write something for the book too, A preface maybe, If Libby and I can get access to the Tatton Muniments and photograph them then Michael would be our best bet on de-cyphering these ancient documents.
I would also like to get Jenna Ashton from University of Manchester to write a chapter on how she sees Baguley Hall’s role in relation to local Cultural and Heritage studies.
CONTENTS
We will cover the Hall or the immediate area from the Bronze Age onwards, It is little known but there are TWO Scheduled Ancient Monuments within 50 metres of each other, The Hall and Baguley Barrow, which is described as a Bronze Aged Windmill in its certification. This SAM was scandalously flattened and built over when Baguley Hall Secondary School (later Newall Green Lower School) was built in 1954. If there is anything left of it it now it is under someone’s back garden on Nethercote Avenue about 50 metres to the South East of the Hall.
Along the way, we’ll cover the Norman Invasion and its impact on the local area, the DeBaguleghs were retainers of Gilbert DeVenables who in turn was a retainer of Hugh Lupus, Norman Earl of Chester.
There were two Sir William DeBaguleghs, father and son and we’ll describe a particularly grizzly incident involving the Younger which shows how quick and nasty Norman justice was.
We will try and describe all the different phases that the Hall was built in, The Great Hall followed by the Jettied Tudor portico, The North wing which is mainly 14th century but with Tudor additions and the South Wing which is Georgian.
We will take a look at the various subsistence farmers and smallholders who tilled the land also, The Hall’s role as a manorial courthouse similar to a modern day Magistrate’s court.
We will look at the various owners or guardians of the Hall such as the Rev.Millington and Joseph Jackson of Rosethern who had no connection with the Hall’s previous owners.
We will discuss the Hall’s use as a Dower House and Wedding Present which brought the Hall back into the ownership of the Tattons and then in the mid 19th century to how the Hall was used as a farmhouse until 1940 when it was felt that the Hall’s beautiful and ancient glass windows were in danger and so placed into the vaults of Baxendale’s Bank in Manchester City Centre which then was a victim of a direct hit by The Luftwaffe, destroying them entirely.
Also, the scandalous misuse and neglect of the building by Manchester Corporation who used the building as a direct works timber store, introducing Woodworm and Dry Rot through the building. The corporation then deciding to demolish the building, a last minute petition garnered 12,000 signatures and our local MP the Rt.Hon Alf Morris to stand up and plead for the Hall to be, in effect, nationalised.
The Ministry of Works and then The Department of the Environment began an 11 year long program of Restoration and Repairs from 1971-1982 when the Hall was swathed in a corrugated iron protective shell whilst the slates were taken off the roof and remedial work carried out on all the rotten timbers within.
The Renovation works were complete by 1982 and since that date the Hall has been closed and there have been few people allowed within the building, Our group, Friends of Baguley Hall have managed to organise three tours of the building, towards the end of the book I think we should discuss what future we want for the building. I can see no reason why it cant be used for the good of all, Local residents, Schoolchildren, Historians, University Students etc,
PROPOSED CHAPTERS
1.Pre History, from the Bronze Age/Iron Age etc
2.The coming of the Angles
3.A general survey of Anglo Saxon tribes and their Kingdoms
4.The Tribal Hidage and Anglo Saxon Chronicle
5.Baguley during the Anglo Saxon period
6.The Norman Invasion and its effect on the North West
7.The Palatinate of Chester
8.The new owners of the Bagelei estates
9.The ‘Harrying’ of the north
10.Sir William de Baguley, Knight, Salt Magnate and Justiciar of the Peace
11.The buidling of Baguley Hall
12.The DeBagulegh’s marriage into the Tatton and Legh families
13.Additions to the Hall, North and South Wings and Jettied Porch
14.A Question of dating? The archaeological evidence for the previous Baguley Halls
15.Itinery of Baguley Hall from the Chester archives
16.Baguley Hall as a Farmhouse
17.Manchester Corporation take control in 1940
18.Near Destruction 1950-68
19.Alf Morris MP for Wythenshawe (1964-97) garners a petition of 12,000 signatures and addresses the House of Commons re Baguley Hall.
20.Ministry of Works, later Dept of the Environment take over and begin restoration
21.37 wasted years, What NEEDS to happen now.
Kind regards,
Mat Hopkins,
Founder and Chair, (2009-19) of FOBH
What an absolutely phenomenal meeting on Thursday night. Its like the gift that keeps on giving!
We have some fantastic community projects coming up. Joint ventures in the pipeline with Wythenshawe Waste Warriors and local schools, Wythenshawe History Group and the University of Manchester.
We have some very talented, creative people in our group. Emma has created some sample flags for bunting making sessions with schools.
David has put together pieces representing what Sir William de Baguley probably would have worn.
Along with his model Colin has also created his impression of what Baguley Hall could well have originally looked like.
We had a lovely lady who does quilting offer to make our group logo into a quilt for us to display.
Paige organised a visit last Wednesday to St Mary's Church in Bowdon to see Sir William de Baguley's effigy. (We'll give more info on this visit in another post.)
I'm actually finding it quite difficult to put into words how grateful I am to everyone in this group and for everything they are doing. We're just surrounded by so much love and positivity. Baguley Hall may not be accessible right now but these people are working towards a fantastic future. 🥰
Thankyou all of you so very much!
Regards Libby
Group Chair
Libby will be chatting to Mike Sweeney about the plans for the future of Baguley Hall. You can hear it on BBC Radio Manchester at about 11.20am tomorrow (Friday 13th 🙀).
They've been broadcasting this week from a shop in Wythenshawe, promoting all the good things about the area.
This will be a brief interview but the FoBH Committee will be giving a more in depth update at our meeting on Thursday September 26th. See our event on here for more details on the time and location. Photos from Your Local Voice
LINE OF DESCENT OF THE DE BAGULEGH HEIRS MALE
FROM NORMANDY TO BAGULEY VIA CORDOBA!
by Mathew Hopkins
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INTRODUCTION
The history of the Ferte-Mace family, followed by the DeMasscys and ultimately the De Baguleghs I have traced back to 855ad in Cordoba in Spain followed by becoming subordinates of the rulers of Normandy by inter marriage. Serving in Duke Guillaume la Batard's invasion of England and being rewarded with Estates in North West England in the Palatinate of Chester. A polity semi-autonomous from the now King William the First.
They completed their position within the new regime with further inter marriage into the DeMasscy family who held fealty with Gilbert De Venables from whom he held fealty with Hugh Lupus, First Norman Earl of Chester
Yves De Creil
855-938
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Fulcuin De Belleme (De Creil)
900-940
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Yves De Creil, Governor of Creil
900-940
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Guillaume I
970-1031
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Guillaume II
985-1055
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Guillaume De Ferte-Mace
1020-1070
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Hamon De Massey (Bowdon. st.John a Jerusalem's patch;
1040-1101
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Hamon De Mascy the Second
1100-1185
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Hamon De Mascy the Third
1129-1216
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Hamon De Massey the Fourth
1190-1240
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Hamon De Mascy the Fifth
1210-1278
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Lady Isabel De Mascy m Sir Ralph De Bagulegh
1238-1270
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Sir William De Bagulegh the Elder
1253-1322
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Sir William De Bagulegh the Younger
1280-1355
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John De Bagulegh (brother)
1292-1460
John married into the Legh Family, Daughter married into Tattons. Originally, the De Baguleghs were retained men in the wider fighting force of Gilbert De Venables, who came over with Guillaume le Batard, William the Conquerer on his putative, and by no means certain, invasion of England.
If King Harold II hadn't have had to fight, and win, the Battle of Stamford Bridge near York, against his own brother and King Harald Hardrada and then route march down to Hastings on the South coast of England. Then the battle that was fought there may have had a very different outcome.
William's victory gave him instant access to a state of modern law giving and efficient tax gathering, Offa, Alfred, Aethelfled, Lady of the Mercians and Athelstan left a much more effective polity than the somewhat haphazard patchwork quilt of William's Duchy of Normandy.
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